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Early morning California politics rant

  • May. 19th, 2009 at 5:43 AM
Bite Me
I've had my absentee ballots for today's special election for at least three weeks, but I still haven't filled them out. I am really torn on how to vote on the various propositions, for many reasons.

1. The California Legislature is seriously dysfunctional. The 2/3rds majority vote for budget measures has made things worse. (Ironic how a simple majority was sufficient to deprive people of their civil rights, but to spend anything needs a super-majority.)

2. I really see the need for this special election rising out of that dysfunction. The Legislative isn't willing to compromise one single bit, so they've pawned the decision off to the voters.

3. I see voters being woefully uneducated about the true cost of providing services. You get what you pay for, folks, and you've been paying almost jackshit for many years now.

4. No matter what the outcome of the election (and they're not likely to pass), there are likely to be another round of cuts next year, almost as bad as this year's round.

I'm definitely in the minority out here in California - I think we don't pay near enough taxes. It simply comes down to you get what you pay for, people just don't get that. Or even worse, they don't care. Living in Orange County, I've seen so many anti-tax bumper stickers around here. It really disturbs me that people care so little about their community.

I'm going to vote yes on all of the Propositions, but I'm resentful that it has come to this point.

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[info]annearchy wrote:
May. 19th, 2009 01:20 pm (UTC)
It's that "heart in the pocket" phenomenon. You know, "What's in it for me?" etc. Sigh.
[info]fyrestar1 wrote:
May. 19th, 2009 01:32 pm (UTC)
We have some of the same problems down here. I really want to smack all of our local TEA party participants just because they're also the first ones to whine about potholes and poor school systems. Or ugh, we had one a-hole at work a couple of months ago that I almost went off on because he was talking to my boss and whining because his kids aren't in school but he "has to pay so much in taxes but doesn't get anything in return." He also talked about how even when his kids WERE in school, he sent them to private school "so essentially he had tuition for two different schools for his children" (both the private school his kids actually attended and the local public schools.)

It just drives me bonkers. I don't know what's worse - the fact that people are so concerned about themselves or that people can't see the benefit they get from stuff like children in school instead of in the work force or on the streets. >.< I think I'm just sensitive because my parents had trouble affording the basic little things we had to buy for school (paper, notebooks, the occasional novel, etc.) I know a lot of the schools are being forced to shift the burden more and more onto the parents to purchase stuff for the classes, never mind what the teachers have to buy. (My professors have to bring their own dry erase pens for the boards in our classrooms and almost all tests are online because there is no longer a budget for paper. That's just ridiculous.)
[info]zorb wrote:
May. 19th, 2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
Oh, frak, I forgot to look at that thing. Not that any of this stuff is really going to magically solve our issues, but sigh.
[info]ani_bester wrote:
May. 19th, 2009 03:36 pm (UTC)
Well see my problem with taxes (and here I can only talk federal because my state doesn't have state taxes)is that to use the "get what you pay for" metaphor. I feel like I'm paying like 80.oo for a peanut butter sandwhich, and then they tell me if I don't want it to be stale I need to pay 100.oo.

Meanwhile the 97.00 difference between the cost of a sandwhich and what I get charged is going into wonko the wonder politican's pocket and/or being used as ineffeciently as humanly possible. This doesn't make me want to pay more.

The other big thing in Texas, at least, is again, using the "get what you pay for" metaphor, a lot of people feel that those who pay no taxes *should* get what the pay for. Ie nothing (I think they forget sales taxes and tolls -_-).

Which is why you get major arguments here when school districts take in children whose parents don't pay anything for that service, thus demanding more money from those who do.

But the alternative is not letting those kids go to school 0.o And who benefits from that!

Frankly, I just think we need to have some kinda residancy that's easier to get, because I've known a fewillegal aliens. They're not cheapskate feelaoders, they just can't pay taxes 'cause they aren't legal.

If we set up some kinda thing where they paid like 5.00 a month to be legally okay to stay in Texas that would put some serious money into our state programs and we'd loose the illegal alien problem and no one could say they weren't paying for state programs!

But nooooooo nothing is that easy.


. . also 5.00 might be a bit too much for some families. I picked it randomly without taking economics into consideration. ^^

Edited at 2009-05-19 04:24 pm (UTC)
[info]bekkio wrote:
May. 19th, 2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
It's not an issue of illegal immigration - they pay a far greater share of their income in taxes - sales tax and even income tax (although they may be using a fake SSN, they still have taxes and FICA withheld even though they can never draw on it.

Yeah, taxes are a bitch, and no one likes to pay for them, but they pay for essential services. Like any public good, there are always going to be free riders like you described, but that doesn't mean that we should not provide them at all - that causes more harm than good.

I also think the assumption that government = inefficient is completely out of date. Given the fact that individuals are unlikely to do anything that doesn't directly benefit them, it's the government's responsibility to maintain the things needed to have a safe society - roads, schools, police force, etc.
[info]airemay wrote:
May. 19th, 2009 08:03 pm (UTC)
I'm still undecided about D and F. Part of me reaaaally wants to take away their pay raises, partly because of spite. Plus, when things are this bad, they aren't doing their jobs well. People who perform badly at their job should not get raises. However, to apply that idea to everyone doesn't seem fair.

I'm voting no on A, C and E, but yes on B. While I'm not necessarily against the principal of these bill, I feel like there are too many unknowns. I am not confident about taking money away from a program that in a couple years will really need it when we get more budget cuts.
[info]bekkio wrote:
May. 19th, 2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but even if B passes, it won't have any affect unless A passes as well.
[info]airemay wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 01:35 am (UTC)
Oh fudge!! That's right. Can you use white out on a mail in ballot, or should I just go to a polling place to be sure?
[info]bekkio wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 01:42 am (UTC)
Eep, I don't know! I think you can trade in an absentee ballot at your polling place though.
[info]tapestrymlp wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 01:16 am (UTC)
Eeks, hugs. Politics and civic stuff can be crazy. I hope the propositions pass and there are no more cuts!
[info]bekkio wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 01:43 am (UTC)
Eh, the bad news is that there are going to be cuts no matter what - if they pass it'll mean $12 billion instead of $15 billion. :(
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